Small Business Server 2003 Iso Download
I have a volume license key for 5 Small Business Server 2003'. You have a key. I would avoid 2003. Then we're back to me needing the ISO for a download. I have a new client that still has a 2003 SBS server. I'm ready to decommission it. Does anyone have an ISO of the SBS 2003 installation disks?
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Spork Schivago wrote:DaSchmoo wrote:'I have a volume license key for 5 Small Business Server 2003'. You have a key, not a license.You said a friend gave you the server - Volume licenses can't be given away - the purchasing company is licensed for the software, you aren't.That's correct, I said I have a volume license key. So does that make it illegal for me to have this server with Windows Server 2003 installed, even if it's just to play around with for a few days?No - the license belongs to the company that bought it, you cannot use it, if you want to use Windows you need your own license.If you only want to play with it for a few days - trials give you 30 days but can be extended up to 180 days, though i would avoid 2003. How could I determine if it's OEM, Retail, Open License, etc? There's no COA sticker. I went to Licensing and see that there's five licenses installed, under Administrative Tools.I'm thinking about maybe purchasing 2016 for my real server.
A friend gave me this to play around with, said wipe it and reinstall first though.I'm having trouble calculating the price for 2016.I thought Datacenter would be the way to go, but it seems datacenter might only be the way to go if I'm running 13 or more VMs.Right now, I'm planning on running maybe 5-7 VMs. 4 would have Windows 7 Pro (retail or VL edition). The rest would have CentOS 7. I would be using 4 computers to connect to it, but I'll also be using a cell phone to communicate sometimes with the physical server (ie, receive messages from the server when something breaks, etc).
Maybe two cell phones.For user accounts, there'd be maybe Admin, plus three others.One of the VMs would be a web server. Would I need a user CAL for every user connecting to the webserver?
Most of the work we'd be doing remotely (same physical network, same physical location, but from workstations, not at the actual server), but we would do work occasionally at the physical server.The CPU would have 22-cores and just one CPU right now, but eventually, maybe two, depending on where we go and what we do.So I think maybe Standard Edition would work, but a bunch of core-licenses. How much would something like that run?
It's hard finding a price calculator, and I've always been a Linux guy. So I don't know much about server editions of Windows and this 2003 SBS is the first server edition I've played with.Also, when it comes time to update to a newer version of Windows Server, are users normally offered a discount? Or do you have to pay full price all over again?The biggest thing is we DO NOT want to have to pay a monthly fee for it, if we can help it, even if it'd be more benefical to pay a monthly fee.Thanks and sorry for all the questions! Well, OEM would have a vendor name on it (Dell, HP, etc). Retail would be plain. The VL licenses are usually downloaded but you could get them on CD/DVD as well and the were green or blue labeled.datacenter would be overkill since you are not really running any server instances of windows.
If you do a webserver on windows, you would want the web edition as you wouldn't need CALS for each user. You can host as many non-microsoft OSes as you have resources on standard edition.unfortunately, you can't host a desktop OS on server legally. The desktop OS license are tied to hardware and can only be tied to one machine.
You can't have more than 1 tied to the same hardware. If you want to host desktop type environment, look at windows multipoint server role in windows server 2016. You'll need RDS CALs for each user. One install, multiple users.so I think you can buy server standard, then run up to 2 licensed VMs, one running the server 2016 with multipoint role.
You'll have an extra server license if you need it. Host other non-windows OS as much as you want. Get your windows and RDS CALs to stay legal.Kevin.
Thank you for that information!Just to be clear, I cannot run Windows 7 Pro Retail or Volume License on Windows Server 2016 standard?The web server will be running on CentOS, NOT Microsoft, so I don't think there's any worries there. I believe I need a copy of Office Pro that is legit and can be ran on the Windows VMs.Kevin, you said: 'if you want to host desktop type environment, look at windows multipoint server role in windows server 2016. You'll need RDS CALs for each user.' I'm reading about the multipoint server role, but it's a bit confusing for me, maybe because I mostly use Linux.
You're saying install Windows Server 2016 standard on the server, then in a virtual machine, install Windows Server 2016 multipoint server role in a virtual machine? Then we can connect to that VM and install Windows desktop inside a VM running in the multipoint server VM?The RDS CALs allow me to connect remotely to.the Windows Server or to the Windows VMs or both? I could probably get away with installing the actual SolidWorks stuff on Windows Server 2016, but then I'd need Office Pro installed on the Windows Server.Overall, could you give me just an idea how much something like this would cost, with the setup you recommended? So I'm fully legal and doing everything correctly? Multipoint Server is an entirely different animal than Windows Server and is not appropriate her nor available unless you are an Education customer.You mentioned you want to virtualize Linux and Desktop OS's - why the need for Windows Server at all. Hyper-V Server is entirely free as is other hypervisors.If you virtualize a desktop OS, you license the connecting device and it can get expensive.
You need VDA licensing for this on each connecting device or the connecting device OS has to have Software Assurance on it. DaSchmoo wrote:Multipoint Server is an entirely different animal than Windows Server and is not appropriate her nor available unless you are an Education customer.You mentioned you want to virtualize Linux and Desktop OS's - why the need for Windows Server at all. Hyper-V Server is entirely free as is other hypervisors.If you virtualize a desktop OS, you license the connecting device and it can get expensive. You need VDA licensing for this on each connecting device or the connecting device OS has to have Software Assurance on it.The original idea was to run CentOS as the main server and run KVM on it for the hypervisor, and virtualize the Windows OSes, and a few CentOS distro's but someone said that was illegal, no matter what license I had for the Windows desktop OSes, and that I should invest in Windows Server 2016.
Wannes was the one who suggested the Server 2016 I think.I did get a lot of responses to my question on how to best setup KVM to run multiple Windows Desktop OSes and a few Linux OSes, but none of them were really about the question that I asked. There were some responses like you don't need a 22-core CPU, or why don't you use Server edition, etc?
There were some helpful ones that talked about pass-through a bit, but that was it. So I took it maybe KVM might not be the best choice? Hard to find support for it, it seems.
I know when tell KVM to copy the host CPU for the VM, we cannot boot the VM at all. I believe this is because of some bug that was found in the Intel CPUs and the CentOS has patched the microcode for the CPU, but the VM people haven't. So there's instructions the VM is looking for on the CPU that just aren't there.So we're looking at Windows Server as maybe an alternative option I guess. Trying to find the best setup for our situation, being the first time we've ever ran a business, and being a long time since I've played with real server hardware and everything.I like Linux, and I feel comfortable with Linux.
I'd love to keep that as the main host OS. Hyper-V Server would be the host OS, I take it, seeing how it has the name Hyper-V in its name.We will be a legal business, so an education scenario is out of the question. Thank you for pointing that out!
DaSchmoo wrote:'I have a volume license key for 5 Small Business Server 2003'. You have a key, not a license.You said a friend gave you the server - Volume licenses can't be given away - the purchasing company is licensed for the software, you aren't.That's correct, I said I have a volume license key. So does that make it illegal for me to have this server with Windows Server 2003 installed, even if it's just to play around with for a few days? The business gave my friend the server after they decomishend (but kept the license active) and then he gave it to me.
Last thing I want to be doing is breaking the law. I wanted it to check out a server edition and see how it ran.
All my workstations and servers are busy, so I can't really install a trial version of 2016 on them. And this server is way to old to run a newer OS. It's having a hard time just running 2003 SBS.
Maybe I should ask what legal ways can I run Windows 7 Pro in a VM without running a Windows Desktop OS as the host, in a commercial environment, with Office Pro, either Volume License Editions or Retail Editions. Start from there, so I know what's legal and what isn't. I found so many articles on Microsoft's site that contradict each other. Some say I can run 7 in a VM, some newer ones say I cannot without special licenses (like SA or Open License or RDS or funky stuff like that).I went directly to the source and called Microsoft and they said it was perfectly legal to run Windows 7 Pro on CentOS in a KVM Virtual Machine, so I'm not even certain they know the rules. As an aside, just because you have a license key to use 2003, it would be a bad idea to - given it's not been supported for over 10 years you're only making the security of anything on it weak and outdated before you even start.Even if you did get the ISO 32bit vs 64bit on an unsupported OS isn't going to make a blind bit of difference.Running Windows in a VM for a single user is fine under certain circumstances without a VDA - it's been covered on here many times, by Chris (Microsoft) as well as DragonsRule. Spork Schivago wrote:DaSchmoo wrote:'I have a volume license key for 5 Small Business Server 2003'.
You have a key, not a license.You said a friend gave you the server - Volume licenses can't be given away - the purchasing company is licensed for the software, you aren't.That's correct, I said I have a volume license key. So does that make it illegal for me to have this server with Windows Server 2003 installed, even if it's just to play around with for a few days?No - the license belongs to the company that bought it, you cannot use it, if you want to use Windows you need your own license.If you only want to play with it for a few days - trials give you 30 days but can be extended up to 180 days, though i would avoid 2003. Rod-IT wrote:Spork Schivago wrote:Maybe I should ask what legal ways can I run Windows 7 Pro in a VM without running a Windows Desktop OS as the hostRegardless of the OS license you also need a VDA license, unless you plan on doing this with hundreds of desktops it's not cost effective, just buy a cheap Windows box to use when you need toThat's the problem. We need the powerful software for the server, not a cheap workstation or desktop to run Windows. Otherwise, I would have just built a few by now.What's the whole sense of having hypervisors, like KVM, that clearly support Windows 7, if we're not allowed to install Windows 7 on them without an expensive VDA license?
Rod-IT wrote:Spork Schivago wrote:DaSchmoo wrote:'I have a volume license key for 5 Small Business Server 2003'. You have a key, not a license.You said a friend gave you the server - Volume licenses can't be given away - the purchasing company is licensed for the software, you aren't.That's correct, I said I have a volume license key. So does that make it illegal for me to have this server with Windows Server 2003 installed, even if it's just to play around with for a few days?No - the license belongs to the company that bought it, you cannot use it, if you want to use Windows you need your own license.If you only want to play with it for a few days - trials give you 30 days but can be extended up to 180 days, though i would avoid 2003.Then we're back to me needing the ISO for a download. And if I can get a download for the 64-bit version of Windows Server 2003, that'd be great.
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I can't seem to find a Microsoft download. I'm guessing I'll have to google for a trial key, or will I be given the option to install without a key? Thanks for clearing that up for me. Spork Schivago wrote:What's the whole sense of having hypervisors, like KVM, that clearly support Windows 7, if we're not allowed to install Windows 7 on them without an expensive VDA license?Desktops are designed to be sat in front of - either by way of a tablet, PC, Laptop etc. Licenses are per device for that user, the fact they can be virtual doesn't mean you have the rights to use them remotely and that is where VDA licenses come in.Even if you created 10 Windows 10 desktops, users are not allowed to remotely connect to them without the VDA license, you can however license one for single use on a machine directly in front of them - such as Vitual PC, Hyper-V client or VMware workstation type setup. Spork Schivago wrote:Then we're back to me needing the ISO for a download.
And if I can get a download for the 64-bit version of Windows Server 2003, that'd be great. I can't seem to find a Microsoft download. I'm guessing I'll have to google for a trial key, or will I be given the option to install without a key? Thanks for clearing that up for me.You wont find an MS download, it's end of life, it has been out of support for some time now, also note that Server 2003 may not have had a 64bit version, I believe 2003 R2 did though.If you are going to use trials for anything, use the most recent, using something not supported wont help you. Spork Schivago wrote:Thank you for that information!Just to be clear, I cannot run Windows 7 Pro Retail or Volume License on Windows Server 2016 standard?Correct - not allowed by the license for windows desktop OSThe web server will be running on CentOS, NOT Microsoft, so I don't think there's any worries there.
I believe I need a copy of Office Pro that is legit and can be ran on the Windows VMs.Ok.Kevin, you said: 'if you want to host desktop type environment, look at windows multipoint server role in windows server 2016. You'll need RDS CALs for each user.'
I'm reading about the multipoint server role, but it's a bit confusing for me, maybe because I mostly use Linux. You're saying install Windows Server 2016 standard on the server, then in a virtual machine, install Windows Server 2016 multipoint server role in a virtual machine? Then we can connect to that VM and install Windows desktop inside a VM running in the multipoint server VM?The Multipoint role gives you what looks exactly like a windows 10 desktop - from a users perspective it is. From an administrative perspective it's a server that you can have multiple users use at the same time (Remote Desktop/Terminal Services).The RDS CALs allow me to connect remotely to.the Windows Server or to the Windows VMs or both? I could probably get away with installing the actual SolidWorks stuff on Windows Server 2016, but then I'd need Office Pro installed on the Windows Server.RDS CALs are for Multipoint - Multipoint is a version of Remote Desktop Server that adds additional admin tools.Overall, could you give me just an idea how much something like this would cost, with the setup you recommended? So I'm fully legal and doing everything correctly?That would require more specific numbers from you as to quantity of windows users, etc.
More than we have discussed so far.Kevin. Kevinroyalty-sbsmvp wrote:DaSchmoo wrote:Multipoint Server is an entirely different animal than Windows Server and is not appropriate her nor available unless you are an Education customer.Sorry that is factually incorrect. The original version of Multipoint was indeed education market only, but since 2012 it's been available to anyone. We have multiple customers using it in the small business space with the full support of Microsoft.
Since it is now a ROLE inside server 2016, it's definitely not limited at all.KevinAnd I stand corrected, sorta. The standalone Multipoint Server product is Academic only. Adding it as a role is available to anyone. (with RDS CALs of course). Rod-IT wrote:Without a key it is an automatic trial. I still don't understand why your fixed on using an OS that is so old. If it's purely for a few days use 2016.Windows desktops can be virtualized, the issue is around licensing amd correct usage of, unlike servers a desktop is licensed for a single user so you'll want to look into the licensing more if you planned on visualizing desktops.Because the server that has 2003 on it is wwwwwayyyy to old to run anything else.
Small Business Server 2003
The new server, we don't have the parts right now (we're working on getting them ordered), and that is incapable of running something like 2016 in a VM. There's the workstation, but we're using that for other stuff. It's a matter of using what we have at our hands, and right now, the server with 2003, it has a hardware raid controller, sata drives, etc. The setup is similar to our server, but just ancient. So we can test various things out on it. That's the only reason I'm looking for the ISOs. But I don't think we're going for server 2016 anyway.
Rod-IT wrote:Spork Schivago wrote:Then we're back to me needing the ISO for a download. And if I can get a download for the 64-bit version of Windows Server 2003, that'd be great. I can't seem to find a Microsoft download. I'm guessing I'll have to google for a trial key, or will I be given the option to install without a key? Thanks for clearing that up for me.You wont find an MS download, it's end of life, it has been out of support for some time now, also note that Server 2003 may not have had a 64bit version, I believe 2003 R2 did though.If you are going to use trials for anything, use the most recent, using something not supported wont help you.Once again, using the latest version of server on a PC that is ancient just won't work.
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I highly doubt there's even drivers available for server 2016 for half the hardware.Since it's trial, R2 would be fine. Kevinroyalty-sbsmvp wrote:DaSchmoo wrote:Multipoint Server is an entirely different animal than Windows Server and is not appropriate her nor available unless you are an Education customer.Sorry that is factually incorrect.
The original version of Multipoint was indeed education market only, but since 2012 it's been available to anyone. We have multiple customers using it in the small business space with the full support of Microsoft.
Since it is now a ROLE inside server 2016, it's definitely not limited at all.KevinWish I refreshed the forum before calling Microsoft today.